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Post by zepp on Jan 7, 2015 2:46:34 GMT -8
It appears we have the trade and spy camp ready to level, other than silver, and the Mander is almost full of spoils too. Should we be bartering more in those other camps?
#Unexpected
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Post by tremond on Jan 7, 2015 4:57:35 GMT -8
To be honest Z - that was kinda where my line of thinking was coming from. If we are strictly going aid then we should maybe let allies barter them up for us… or we barter them up later in the AvA when we can target lvl 20 camps and get max silver from it.
Personally I feel like its just a couple waves of barters to lvl them. On the other hand - should barters be only going out for The Mander camp? It's requiring concentrated waves of barter to level it at this point. I think I'm still in the mindset where I feel they should be levelled to 20. At least Aid and Barter. And as mentioned before… let spy slowly catch up with the constant trickle of spoils.
I guess I'm surprised how every time we turn around the camps seem to be full and just waiting on silver. Pretty awesome really!
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Post by Cristan Jast on Jan 7, 2015 5:33:07 GMT -8
Last I checked we were still short of mats to finish the Barter camp to 20 so once we get the Aid camp finished, silver won't be the biggest issue methinks. Tre is right. We can Barter the Aid camp up pretty fast if that is how we want to use our swords but it does cut into our Aid spoils and so far as I know there isn't a scoreboard anywhere that we can check to see how we're doing for the rewards
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Post by zepp on Jan 7, 2015 5:35:31 GMT -8
I'll update my numbers. That should take a chunk out of the barter camp.
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Post by Alex on Jan 7, 2015 12:13:11 GMT -8
Personally I would only barter the mander to get it up. Or maybe we use some silver to get the barter camp up but aid should be our focus. Once it's 20 then it can be on for the barter and spy camps.
#lolunexpected
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Post by tremond on Jan 8, 2015 5:18:22 GMT -8
Amazing work guys!
I logged on this morning in time to see we're less than 100 spoils from lvl 20… awesome. I also see we're officially friends with both of the top 2 alliances in the Reach. I saw the massive waves of barters coming in from Fire and Blood and our silver requirements just vanishing into thin air...
So it's pretty smooth sailing at this point. I'm sure there may come a time when someone decides to make a run at us but for now I think things are fairly stable. With that in mind I suggest activating Outrider's tactic and either Outrider's of Battle or Commander's of Battle.
The Tactics are going to run out in just a couple hours. So I'd say we renew to look like this
Outrider's
Cavalry
Commander's
Outrider's of Battle/ Commander's of Battle
I think its all about the speed to get in as many aids as possible… so use the 4th slot to help win more often… or speed it up even faster. Lol - could be down to 20 minutes waves or something… right now my battle waves are just over 30minutes. Barter waves are about 45. Let's get Outrider's and Cavalry going together.
Just my 2 cents
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Post by Colwynn Snow on Jan 13, 2015 6:54:24 GMT -8
AID in the reach is our focus here on out. Leveling the north camps should only be done with surplus items that do not detract from the primary focus of Aiding the reach. If everybody does nothing but send AID waves for the rest of this cycle, we could still find ourselves in the running for the secondary prize. I will send ravens out shortly. Great work so far, let's get focused on the same task for the remainder of the phase. I have opened the two battle speed tactics for contribution as well to help us with sending more aid.
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Post by tremond on Jan 23, 2015 11:16:01 GMT -8
Hey guys,
Now that we're less than 3 days from the end of this phase I'm wondering if we should set our final goals. Obviously we continue with aid, aid and more aid in the reach - I'm thinking more specifically in the north. Right now we stand at lvls 10, 12, 10 with those camps. All 3 relatively are close to levelling with mainly siege works items left (surprise surprise).
I'm proposing that we get them to the next level each...and then maybe lock them down? No sense wasting mats if they won't level any further.
So really we just need a couple spitfires, a couple catapults, 6-7 rams (I believe)… and about 60-70 traders. I think ending up with three lvl 20 camps and then 11, 13, 11 in the North is pretty amazing considering its our first AvA out the gates. I'm just throwing this out there… I'm continuing to churn out siege units and traders as much as possible… just want to know if we should stop contributing if we see it level before an officer has the chance to lock it down if that is what's decided.
Thanks for a great AvA guys! We're pulling away from 5th place at a steady rate… 4th in the region and top 25 overall - AMAZING!
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Post by tremond on Jan 23, 2015 12:10:24 GMT -8
By the way - I just looked at the top 25 alliances this phase...
We're 3rd overall for Tier 1!!!! And the 2 above us are not that far ahead. Knowing what we know now I think we could definitely grab top tier 1 alliance. If we had 2 regions with three lvl 20 camps in each I think we'd have spot. Probably even just 3 15's and 3 20's.
There is one alliance with 34 members that is really high in the rankings but they're obviously tier 2. I think they are the only tier 2 alliance in the top 25 but I'd have to double check that. Regardless… we've kicked ass.
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Post by Colwynn Snow on Jan 23, 2015 15:26:04 GMT -8
Well, it was called for full tilt AID from the reach. The north really wasn't supposed to cut into our AID waves. It was to be leveled with things that didn't detract from the focus of AID,AID,AID from the reach. It wasn't meant to be garrisoned, but after I sent ravens, and people stayed there and kept working, with as good as we have done, I figured a little bit of playing around up there would be good for you guys to keep it from getting boring.
The problem is, we have no real way to check where we weigh in on the aid in the reach prize. I'll be kinda sad if we just miss it, knowing that we could have focused on it just a bit more.
The reason it matters to me isn't the prize itself, it's that it immortalizes us. If you look in the power tab, it has a phase victors tab. There it lists the alliances that won the prizes from past phases... once you're in there, for w/e paltry prize... they can't take that away. Your alliance will have made permanent impact on the game, in bold text that everyone can easily see. I'd hate to miss on that, because we split focus from the AID in the reach goal to level camps in the north. That's why when asked about farming challenge spoils, I've always said a few waves here and there is fine, as long as it doesn't take away from the focus of AID in the reach.
So as to locking them, I'm all for it, but I want to know where everyone else stands before I do. Either way, I'm still tremendously proud of all of us. Thank you guys again.
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Post by Cristan Jast on Jan 23, 2015 15:45:52 GMT -8
What Col said. I'm more than happy to go with the majority opinion. I've been focusing on Aid in the hopes of getting the prize. I know, it's a teeny prize. But to me it's a vindication of us striking out on our own in the first place. But if everyone else wants to do some other stuff for spoils at the end of the phase, count me in. Just give me the guidance on where and what  |
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Post by tremond on Jan 23, 2015 16:21:19 GMT -8
Personally I just sent a few waves of barters in the north because they were ready to lvl. I've been sending out Aid like its going out of style. The camps are now full of mats again aside from siege units to go to the next level… I suggest keeping a close eye on it to see if it looks like we'll get the siege units or not. I pulled my guys from the north and brought them back to the reach after about 2 hours of barters… I'm not sure who still has SS garrisoned there. Last I checked there were 67 SS garrisoned in the north.
Should we maybe wait until the final day? And then do a few fight/harass actions to get some spoils for challenges? And not bother with fixing the camp(s)? If a bunch of people weigh in we could just set it in the MOTD then everyone knows. I still think its aid aid aid… but a few waves of fight/harass on the final day (maybe say … every 3rd or 4th wave you send) would mean a lot of alliance challenges. I'm easy either way.
QUICK EDIT: btw - we are close to surpassing DOW in the North. Once our current upgrades take place our hourly VP may be enough to overtake them by the end. I figure we'll get close to another million VP by the end … they will get a few hundred thousand so it'll be close. If we level 1-2 camps once more… we should definitely surpass them. Minor thing… but its a thought. Again - all depends on siege works.
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Post by tremond on Jan 23, 2015 22:09:18 GMT -8
Just an FYI - I've been curious what the difference would be in terms of credits gained when doing the different actions: barter vs swindle vs steal in AvA. I hadn't seen a breakdown about it anywhere… probably just looking in the wrong place. But what I found out so far is this….
The number of credits (as we've already determined) is solely based on the level of the camp you are attacking. Here is what I just found out with a little experiment
Barter at a lvl 20 camp = 4522 silver (as we've see) 170 VP (if attacking FROM a lvl 20 camp)
Swindle at a lvl 20 camp = 4522 silver so no real benefit unless we want to wound their swords WHILE gaining money… 270 VP
Steal at a lvl 20 camp = 52120 silver!! 250 VP
Well… I've been curious and now I know…Steal definitely get the most silver per action by more than 10x (if successful). Good to know for future reference when we decide to hit camps aggressively while we're still levelling.
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Post by zepp on Jan 23, 2015 22:29:11 GMT -8
Just an FYI - I've been curious what the difference would be in terms of credits gained when doing the different actions: barter vs swindle vs steal in AvA. I hadn't seen a breakdown about it anywhere… probably just looking in the wrong place. But what I found out so far is this…. The number of credits (as we've already determined) is solely based on the level of the camp you are attacking. Here is what I just found out with a little experiment Barter at a lvl 20 camp = 4522 silver (as we've see) 170 VP (if attacking FROM a lvl 20 camp) Swindle at a lvl 20 camp = 4522 silver so no real benefit unless we want to wound their swords WHILE gaining money… 270 VP Steal at a lvl 20 camp = 52120 silver!! 250 VP Well… I've been curious and now I know…Steal definitely get the most silver per action by more than 10x (if successful). Good to know for future reference when we decide to hit camps aggressively while we're still levelling. Wow, that seems a little unbalanced. If we want to go for the Iron Bank accolade we may need to go all Steal... |
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Post by Cristan Jast on Jan 24, 2015 3:56:07 GMT -8
According to the Wiki, Steal has a downside in the mechanics as well. A failure usually results in 2 wounds to your SS. I have never found a breakdown on the silver gained per action. Thanks for the info Tre
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